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Date: Fri 18 Sep 87 09:32:54-EDT
From: Jeff Shulman <SHULMAN@SDR>
Subject: Usenet Mac Digest V3 #71

Usenet Mac Digest     Thursday, September 17, 1987   Volume 3 : Issue 71

Today's Topics:
     Problem running SuperSpool and Professional Composer?
     Re: Printing under Hypercard
     Re: 68030 in MacII
     Re: LightSpeed Pascal Problem
     Re: any assembler other than MPW?
     Re: Printing under Hypercard
     Avoiding menu metacharacters
     Button hilighting in HyperTalk
     MacKermit on an SE (and II?) (2 messages)
     ParamText Question
     Laserwriter streaks
     Filemaker+ meets Laserwriter 4.0? (also ready set go 4.0)
     Re: ParamText Question
     Re: 68030 in MacII
     Beta particle counter
     Graphics tablets
     Re: New master pointer query.
     Anyone Have ROvr 0? (Was Replacing system fonts)
     Re: Button hilighting in HyperTalk (2 messages)
     Re: Avoiding menu metacharacters
     Desktop Drawing
     Getting a windows position

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From: [e-mail] (J. Collymore)
Subject: Problem running SuperSpool and Professional Composer?
Date: 11 Sep 87 20:55:55 GMT
Organization: AT&T CSEd/CET, Piscataway, N.J.

Recently, I purchased SuperMac Software's SuperSpool 3.4 for the
Imagewriter.   I found out to my chagrin, however, that whenever I ran
off scores or musical parts on Mark of the Unicorn's "Professional
Composer" (Prof. Comp.) I would get this hideous gobbledygook instead of
musical notation. (This also happened with the 4.0 upgrade.) I was then
forced to turn off the spooler and THEN print out my music. If any of
you use your Macs for music processing, you know that printing out even
a one-page piece can lock up your Mac for ~5 minutes.  If you have more
than one page of music you can kiss your productivity good-bye!  You'll
be waiting a long time for that stuff to print before you can get back
to your other work on the computer.  It was to avoid this very situation
that I bought the print spooler in the first place!

Well, after several letters and phone calls to Unicorn, and SuperMac,
the problem was solved.

Answer:  The tech at Supermac told me that when SuperSpool runs it looks
for the necessary fonts in the SYSTEM file, NOT in the APPLICATION's
file.  Since the music fonts are only in Prof. Comp., SuperSpool doesn't
know what to do, so it tries to make-do with other fonts in the System
file.  What you need to do to correct this is to load the Prof. Comp.
music fonts into your System. They had me do this:

================================================================================
WARNING:  If you have ANY questions or concerns about performing this procedure,
          call the techs at SuperMac, [phone], BEFORE you try this.
================================================================================

1)  Make sure your Prof. Comp. application is loaded onto the Mac.
    NOTE:  To be on the safe side, if you're using a floppy, lock it.

2)  Open up your Font/DA Mover and be sure you're set for "fonts."

3)  Hold down your command and option keys while you click on "Open" on the
    other side of the screen.

4)  Continue to hold the option and command keys down while you make your
    way to your Prof. Comp. application. (You may need to pull down the menu
    at the top of "Open" screen, (that's the little icon that says what folder
    you're currently in) to get to your Prof. Comp. application.)

5)  Once you see Prof. Comp. on the list, select it and open it.  You should
    see two music fonts there:  music 24 and music 48.

6)  Release the option and command keys.

7)  Click on music 24.
    NOTE:  The "Copy" button arrows should be pointing over to your System file
           where all your other standard alpha-numeric fonts are stored.

8)  Click on the "Copy" button.

9)  Once the copy/transfer is complete, repeat the process with the font
    music 48.

10)  Once this is complete you can quit the Font/DA Mover.

11)  Start SuperSpool running (if you haven't already).

12)  Try printing out one of your musical works.  Things should work fine.

I hope this helps some of you.


                        Jim Collymore


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From: [e-mail] (Keith Rollin)
Subject: Re: Printing under Hypercard
Date: 12 Sep 87 04:21:49 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, USA

I haven't verified that this is a bug, but if it is, try this stack
script:

on OpenStack
    set lockscreen to true
    domenu "Print Stack..."  -- bring up the print stack dialog
    type return -- put dialog box away
    set lockscreen to false
end OpenStack

I have a feeling that the lockscreen will not prevent the dialog box
from appearing, but I can't check it out right now.

Keith Rollin
Sales Tech Support
Apple Computer

Disclaimer: Any kludges I present here are my own, and do not necessarily
        represent the kludges of my employer.

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From: [e-mail] (Joel West)
Subject: Re: 68030 in MacII
Date: 12 Sep 87 17:15:25 GMT
Organization: Palomar Software, Inc., Vista, CA


The pin-outs of a 68882 match the 68881, so, theoretically, you can pop
it out.  But no, the 030 and 020 are not pin-compatible, so I have no
idea what they were talking about.
--
    Joel West  (c/o UCSD)
    Palomar Software, Inc., P.O. Box 2635, Vista, CA  92083
    {ucbvax,ihnp4}!sdcsvax!jww     [e-mail]
   or    ihnp4!crash!palomar!joel    [e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (Bruce Florman)
Subject: Re: LightSpeed Pascal Problem
Date: 11 Sep 87 22:40:33 GMT
Organization: Rand Corp., Santa Monica

    I too have run into this problem more than once.  It stems from
Lightspeed's definition of the INTEGER type being -MaxInt..MaxInt, where
MaxInt = 32767.  This is documented on page 19 of the reference manual,
and is actually in conformance with the ANSI Standard Pascal, where the
other major Pascals for the Mac are not.  So Think probably considers
this to be a "feature" rather than a bug.  The solution is to turn off
overflow checking for the offending statements with the $V compiler
directive.

    {$V-}
    foo := $8000 ;    {set high bit -- value is -32768}
    {$V+}

It is interesting to note that the documentation for the $V option, on
page 13-3 of the manual, erroneously states the range of INTEGER to be
-32768 to +32767.  This is the range for MPW, TML and Turbo, but not for
Lightspeed.


PS. Think has recently posted an update (version 1.1A or something) to
    a number of networks.  I haven't seen it yet, but it may fix this
    problem.

--
========================================================================
[e-mail]
{decvax,sdcrdcf,trwrb,trwspf,vortex}!rand-unix!gnu!florman

"There is no limit to the amount of good that people can accomplish,
 if they don't care who gets the credit."
                            - Anonymous


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From: [e-mail] (Joel West)
Subject: Re: any assembler other than MPW?
Date: 12 Sep 87 17:38:29 GMT
Organization: Palomar Software, Inc., Vista, CA


Mainstay (the people now doing VIP) started with an assembler, which I
believe was McAsm.  One local Mac wizard swears by it.
--
    Joel West  (c/o UCSD)
    Palomar Software, Inc., P.O. Box 2635, Vista, CA  92083
    {ucbvax,ihnp4}!sdcsvax!jww     [e-mail]
   or    ihnp4!crash!palomar!joel    [e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (Dan Winkler)
Subject: Re: Printing under Hypercard
Date: 12 Sep 87 20:09:53 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, USA

In HyperCard 1.0.1, there is no way for a script to respond to a
printing dialog or to any other kind of dialog for that matter. Whenever
a script does something that puts up a dialog,  HyperCard enters a tight
loop waiting for the user to respond to it.  Thus, scripts that do batch
jobs must never do anything that brings up a dialog or else they will
hang waiting for user input.

We realize it would be better if scripts could respond to dialog boxes
or prevent them from being displayed at all, and we are looking at ways
to provide that ability in the next release.

Dan.


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From: [e-mail] (Andrew Betzis)
Subject: Avoiding menu metacharacters
Date: 11 Sep 87 13:38:32 GMT
Organization: RUNX Un*x Timeshare.  Sydney, Australia.


    Is there any way of displaying the AppendMenu() metacharacters (^ ! < /
( ) in a menu.

:-) & thanks,
andrew betzis

ACSnet: [e-mail]        JANET:    runx.ips.oz!betz@ukc
ARPA:   [e-mail]    CSNET:    [e-mail]
UUCP:  {enea,hplabs,mcvax,prlb2,uunet,ubc-vision,ukc}!munnari!runx.ips.oz!betz

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From: [e-mail] (Doug Moen)
Subject: Button hilighting in HyperTalk
Date: 13 Sep 87 05:10:04 GMT
Organization: U of Waterloo, Ontario

I'm working on a HyperCard database intended to be used by people with
no knowledge of computers or Macintoshes.  I've found that causing
buttons to highlight when the cursor moves over them makes the user
interface much more intuitive.

This turns out to be easy to do in HyperTalk.  You simply include the
following code in each button script:
    on mouseEnter
        set hilite of the target to true
    end mouseEnter

    on mouseLeave
        set hilite of the target to false
    end mouseEnter

Here's my problem.  I prefer not to edit the script of every single
button in my database to add this code.  I have tried putting the code
into the stack script, where it will be inherited by every button in the
stack.  This works, but unfortunately, it also gets inherited by fields,
which is not what I want.  Any suggestions?
--
Doug Moen
University of Waterloo Computer Graphics Lab
UUCP:     {ihnp4,watmath}!watcgl!kdmoen
INTERNET: [e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (Robert B. Stam)
Subject: MacKermit on an SE (and II?)
Date: 13 Sep 87 16:39:24 GMT
Organization: CS Dept., U. of N. Carolina, Chapel Hill


In a recent posting I commented that I was not able to get MacKermit to
run correctly on my Mac SE, and that it seemed to be a problem with
fonts.  A local insightful chap suggested that MacKermit as delivered
from columbia might not have a FOND resource.  In fact it does not (this
is true of both ckmker.hqx and xkmker.hqx).  The fix is as follows:

1)  Make a copy of MacKermit.
2)  Run Font/DA mover
3)  Close the system file fromt the left window
4)  Click the left Open button with the option key down (the option key tells
    it to open all kinds of files, like MacKermit)
5)  Find and open the original copy of MacKermit
6)  Click the right Open button with the option key down
7)  Find and open the duplicate copy of MacKermit
8)  Select and remove the 2 fonts (VT100 etc...) from the right hand window
    (ie, from the copy of MacKermit)
9)  Select and copy the 2 fonts (VT100 etc...) from the left hand window, thus
    copying the 2 fonts from the original copy of MacKermit to the
    duplicate copy of MacKermit
10) Close everything and quit.  MacKermit should now work.

This is not quite the NOP operation it looks like.  When Font/DA mover
moves a font it looks to see if the destination has the appropriate FOND
resource, and if not it adds it.

Many thanks to Oliver Steele of UNC who guessed what the problem was and
suggested that I look for the FOND.

Happy Kermitting ...

--
Robert B. Stam                          CSNET: [e-mail]
UNC Computer Science Department        ARPA:  [e-mail]
Sitterson Hall 083A                   UUCP:  {ihnp4|decvax}!mcnc!unc!stamr
Chapel Hill, NC 27514                   Phone: [phone]


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From: [e-mail] (Robert B. Stam)
Subject: Re: MacKermit on an SE (and II?)
Date: 13 Sep 87 16:46:02 GMT
Organization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill

To be precise:  The Copy of MacKermit should now work.  The original
MacKermit is untouched.  You will probably want to trash (you have a
backup, right?) the original MacKermit, and rename the copy.


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From: [e-mail] (Dave Glowny)
Subject: ParamText Question
Date: 13 Sep 87 20:45:37 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Rochester Computing Center

I'm writing a program (with Lightspeed C) which plots functions, and am
using  a dialog with an editText item to get a string representing the
function from  the user. A default value (the previous function string
entered by the user,  if any) is copied into the item with SetIText.

The problem I've encountered is that when the string contains one of the
ParamText keys (^0,^1,^2,^3) the ParamText strings are substitued in
place. For example, if the user enters "x^2" in the f(x) box in my
dialog, the next dialog invocation will show f(x) with the default value
of "x", substituting the null string for ^2. (I do use ParamText1 for my
alerts, but I pass null strings for the other 3 arguments)

Is there any way to disable this substitution process ?  I attempted
ParamText("\P^0","\P^1","\P^2","\P^3"); but this only caused an infinte
loop of substitution as I observed with TMON.

--
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
David Glowny |  Internet: [e-mail]
             |  UUCP: {decvax,cmcl2}!rochester!ur-tut!dagl
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------


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From: [e-mail] (Jan Harrington)
Subject: Laserwriter streaks
Date: 13 Sep 87 14:37:12 GMT
Organization: Scholastech, Inc., Waltham, Mass.

The college where I teach has finally gotten around to purchasing some
Macintosh hardware.  Unfortunately, there's a problem with one of the
Laserwriters.  After printing about 10 copies, streaks begin to appear.
The streaks are about 1" in from the left margin and run the length of
the page in about a 1/2" strip.  They make the output look like a bad
xerox!

The culprit _seems_ to be a metal strip that, when you open the printer,
appears on the top half.  It is scratched and scored, but feels smooth
to the touch.  The funny thing is, the same bar on other printers is
also scratched and scored, but none of the others streak the pages.

Has anything like this happened to anyone out there?  Any clues as to
what might be going on?

Jan Harrington, sysop
Scholastech Telecommunications
ihnp4!husc6!amcad!stech!sysop

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From: [e-mail] (Chuq Von Rospach)
Subject: Filemaker+ meets Laserwriter 4.0? (also ready set go 4.0)
Date: 14 Sep 87 04:26:59 GMT

Does anyone know if Forethought (or whoever owns Filemaker+ this week)
has issued a patch to fix the initialization problems the database has
when running with Laserwriter 4.0?

Anyone know the details of the Ready Set Go 4.0 upgrade? Things like
cost and when they're supposed to ship the thing? (and when they will
REALLY ship it?)  For some reason, Letraset hasn't sent me upgrade info,
even though I know that some folks have seen it...

chuq Chuq Von Rospach    [e-mail]        Delphi: CHUQ

We live and learn, but not the wiser grow -- John Pomfret (1667-1703)


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From: [e-mail] (Eric Olson)
Subject: Re: ParamText Question
Date: 14 Sep 87 18:11:45 GMT
Organization: Aiken Computation Lab Harvard, Cambridge, MA

This is not a solution, but a praise of ParamText.  You can't define
ParamText 1 to be "^1" because it does the substitution in an infinite
loop.  But this is very convenient, since your error function could be:

    myerr(errnum,paramnum,errfn)
    long        errnum;
    long        paramnum;
    char *        errfn; {
    char        numstr[20];
    char        parmstr[20];
    StringHandle    errstr;

    NumToString(errnum,numstr);
    NumToString(paramnum,parmstr);
    errstr=GetString(errnum);

    HLock(errstr);
    ParamText(*errstr,numstr,parmstr,errfn);

    do_error_alert();

    HUnlock(errstr);
    }

Now, if errnum is -108 and STR -108 is "Out of memory (need ^1 more
bytes) while ^2.", and the error call is

    myerror(-108,needed-got,"\pallocating buffer")

then the dialog will acutally say:

    Out of memory (need 28934 more bytes) while allocating buffer.

Similarly, you could have a rangecheck error called like:

    myerror(300,value,"\pstart point")

where STR 300 is:

    "The value of ^2 (^1) is out of range."

Then the dialog will actually say:

    "The value of start point (234) is out of range."

Anyways, I use the ParamText a lot like this and find that, because it
isn't just a one-level substitution, it's very easy to make error
messages that look good.

-Eric

Eric K. Olson        [e-mail]        harvard!endor!olson

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From: [e-mail] (Stu Ericson)
Subject: Re: 68030 in MacII
Date: 14 Sep 87 18:02:56 GMT
Organization: The Sage Hovel

The difference in pin-outs comes from the fact that they put a subset of
the 68851 PMMU into the '030.  This means they need to have PMMU special
pins and such.  Because the Mac II has a spot for the PMMU, it should be
easy to wire up a board to map the pins of the '030 into the '020 and
PMMU socket.  In fact, I've heard rumors that Apple people in their labs
have done this with sample '030s with success.

Stu

--
Stuart Ericson            USnail:        AT&T Bell Laboratories
USENET: ...!ihnp4!ihlpf!stuart            IH 6M-313
voice: [phone]                Naperville-Wheaton Rd.
                        Naperville,  Il 60566


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From: [e-mail] (Lance Nakata)
Subject: Beta particle counter
Date: 14 Sep 87 18:51:10 GMT
Organization: Academic Information Resources, Stanford University

Does anyone have a suggestion for what microcomputer hardware and
software might be appropriate for someone who wants to count beta
particles?  The beta particle counter has an RS-232 interface, so it
looks at though there are many computer choices.  I'm hoping some of you
have done something similar to this and have suggestions on the system
and software setup that work well.  This information is for a person in
the Medical Microbiology department here at Stanford.

Please send replies to me unless you feel others may have an interest in
this topic.  Thank you.

Lance Nakata          ARPA:   [e-mail]
Stanford University      BITNET: nakata%lindy at stanford.bitnet
AIR/IRIS          CSNET:  [e-mail]
Sweet Hall, 3rd Floor      USENET: {sun,decwrl,hplabs}!lindy.stanford.edu!nakata
Stanford, CA 94305-3091
[phone]

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From: [e-mail] (C. David Perry)
Subject: Graphics tablets
Date: 9 Sep 87 03:13:31 GMT
Organization: UNC Educational Computing Service

We are considering buying a graphics tablet for a Mac SE. Any
experiences or advice will be much appreciated.

We are new to the Mac world, so any information, however basic, will be
helpful. The main application will be  tracing maps and other artwork
for manipulation with Superpaint or similar software.

Since we often have to work with complicated base maps, we think that a
scanner would include too much extraneous information.

David Perry
University of North Carolina Press
[phone]
Box 2288
Chapel Hill, NC 27514
[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (William C. Bauldry)
Subject: Re: New master pointer query.
Date: 9 Sep 87 13:27:46 GMT
Organization: UNC Educational Computing Service


 The query: What is the format of a new master pointer - i.e. where do
the flags go if the address length is 32 bits ?

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Dennis Cohen) writes:
>You address it the same way you did in the past (if you followed Apple's rules)
>and call routines for HLock, HUnlock, HGetState, HSetState, HSetRBit, HGetRBit,
>etc.  If you want to munge the bits yourself, let your customers beware that
>the software you produce will almost surely break soon (and it AIN'T Apple's
>fault, but is yours).

 Please don't shoot - i'm not really munging the bits...    The problem
is: I'm passing a dereferenced handle as a parameter to an assembled
routine - IM II (pg25) and the reference section to the MM chapter say
use Lo3byte mask to strip off the high order byte that contains the
flags to leave the address ( in fact my old "phone book" copy of IM has
a constant AddrMask to do this with ). That's why i'm concerned about
the new address length - so that the software won't break (i don't want
it to be my fault either).
 BTW - thanks for answering - i should have been more explicit in the
request.

-Bill


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From: [e-mail] (Brian Diehm)
Subject: Anyone Have ROvr 0? (Was Replacing system fonts)
Date: 11 Sep 87 18:25:22 GMT
Organization: Tektronix Inc., Beaverton, Or.

This is only part of the solution.  The ROv# resource may have any ID
number, but its first entry, a Version number, must be the machine ID
(i.e. 117, 630, or 376).  You will see the Version entry if you use
ResEdit to create your ROv# resource.

However, the kicker is that this also requires an ROvr resource as well.
 The system checks for an ROvr resource 0 each time the ROM map is
rebuilt.  The ROvr 0 resource is then (if it exists) JSRd to, where it
(the ROvr resource code) checks for any and all ROv# resources with the
proper Version number.

So, how do you get a working ROvr 0?  Clever hackers write one on the
spot. The rest of us, says IM Vol IV, "write to Apple" and you can get
one.  My question is, does anyone on the net have one of these, and
would they be willing to post it in BinHex 4.0?  Or even mail it to me
and the original poster?  Or do I, as a non-registered non-developer,
have to beg from the "big yup" in Cupertino?

--
-Brian Diehm     (SDA - Standard Disclaimers Apply)
Tektronix, Inc.
[e-mail]   or  {decvax,cae780,uw-beaver}!tektronix!tekig4!briand


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From: [e-mail] (R.Crispin - Psychology)
Subject: Re: Button hilighting in HyperTalk
Date: 14 Sep 87 21:12:32 GMT
Organization: Psychology Department

Use the following message handler to only hilite buttons

on mouseenter
 if "button" is in the target then set hilite of the target to true
end mouseenter

on mouseleave
 if "button" is in the target then set hilite of the target to false
end mouseleave

Richard Crispin
Dept. of Psychology
University of Waterloo
Waterloo, Ont.
Canada    N2L 3G1
[phone] ext 2879

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From: [e-mail] (Keith Rollin)
Subject: Re: Button hilighting in HyperTalk
Date: 15 Sep 87 01:09:11 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, USA

The function "target" returns a string that can be used to identify what
object is getting the system message. In the case of a button getting
hit, "the target" would contain something like "card button id <number>"
or "bkgrnd button id <number>". Check this string for the work button,
and you're set.

on mouseEnter
     if the second word of the target is "button" then
         set hilite of the target to true
     end if
end mouseEnter

--

Keith Rollin
Sales Technical Support
Apple Computer

Disclaimer: I read this board as a genuinely concerned Mac-Head. Any views
            expressed are my own until my boss finds out what I'm doing.
            However, that doesn't mean I can't recognize a good idea and
            do something about it...


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From: [e-mail] (David W. Berry)
Subject: Re: Avoiding menu metacharacters
Date: 15 Sep 87 01:17:00 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, USA

        In the original call to AppendMenu use a dummy string and
    then use SetItem to set the actual text.

    AppendMenu(mh, "\pFoo;Bar;dummy");
    SetItem(mh, 3, "\p(!</(");

    Of course this makes it more difficult to get menu's
    from resources.

--
    David W. Berry
    [e-mail]                   dwb@Delphi
    [e-mail]                   [e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (Tom Carstensen)
Subject: Desktop Drawing
Date: 14 Sep 87 22:34:00 GMT
Organization: Mentor Graphics, Beaverton OR

I wish to implement something functionally like the icons on the Finders
desktop, and I am currently doing it this way:

    - traversing the list of windows, subtracting each visible
      window's rectangle from the icon rectangles region

    - Use this new region as the clip region

    - and then drawing the icon on the desk port.

and I do this for each icon.

Does anybody know of a better way to implement such functionality?

:------------------------------------------------------------:
: Tom Carstensen              Usenet: [e-mail] :
: Mentor Graphics             GEnie:                         :
:------------------------------------------------------------:

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From: [e-mail] (Tom Carstensen)
Subject: Getting a windows position
Date: 14 Sep 87 22:37:50 GMT
Organization: Mentor Graphics, Beaverton OR

Is it always reliable to use a windows portBits.bounds, left and top
field to determine the windows upper left portRect position on the
screen.  (that the -(left) and -(right) since the bounds rect of offset
negatively)

:------------------------------------------------------------:
: Tom Carstensen              Usenet: [e-mail] :
: Mentor Graphics             GEnie:                         :
:------------------------------------------------------------:

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